◆ [Date updated: 2022/08/30(Tue) 06:21:58]
　■User: idiot
　│what about a sit that looks like its from the mid 2000s instead of copying from the mid 2000s?
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　├■Aesthetics are important, but they're fairly superficial - the culture 
　││and content are far more important, but those things are a lot more 
　││difficult to bring about unless you're specifically making a site about 
　││[old topic that anyone younger than XX isn't interested in]
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　││With any serious attempt to recreate/recapture the spirit of a certain 
　││time period, people who were too young to have experienced it first 
　││hand will always be unable to fully comprehend or adapt to it, and just 
　││end up annoying and driving off those who were around for it
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　││That's why for any topic that young people might be interested in, we 
　││have to settle for all these crappy "looks old but feels underageb&" 
　││sites instead of something that truly feels like it's a portal to 
　││another time period (;´Д`)
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　│└■Vidlii still has the SPIRIT of old youtube though, that is the point.
　│　│It isn't about the UI, though the old yt layout is objectively better.
　│　│The videos on the site may not all 100% be ~2007 culture exclusively 
　│　│but the spirit of the site is still the same, it is place where 
　│　│anyone can upload anything, mostly stupid shit for fun. No one on 
　│　│vidlii is making $ off of doing it like modern yt. Vidlii isn't an
　│　│all seeing overreaching system like google is that is tied into 
　│　│everything. Vidlii doesn't remove your video for using certain MUSIC
　│　│Or for talking shit, or talking about certain topics that the
　│　│"influencers" of our realm have deemed taboo like not being gay.
　│　│Vidlii isn't hiding results from my search, and tags actually mean
　│　│something.
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　│　│Look at bitchute, another youtube alternative but something that
　│　│is NOT made in the spirit of old youtube, pretty much 99% of the
　│　│videos there are loser nerd wanna be political talking heads who
　│　│just make videos complaining and nothing productive. Now look at the
　│　│vidlii home page and wow look new unique videos? and stuff that is 
　│　│familiar to me, someone who was on yt back then? Also lots of drama
　│　│and shit talking? this is EXACTLY like youtube use to be. 
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　│　│Just because some users are not old enough to have used youtube when
　│　│it was like vidlii doesn't matter. These new users are making new
　│　│shit in the same spirit of the old website. I DOUBT that you were
　│　│using japanese only bbs sites in the early 90s yet here you are,
　│　│on a site that is a modern recreation of an early 90s jp bbs.
　│　│You don't have the same culture as they did. You don't know the
　│　│inside jokes and ways of speaking that they had in their culture.
　│　│And most people  don't even know what the spirit of those early
　│　│sites were or their intended purpose, yet here we are on a 
　│　│recreation of those sites making our own shit with a mix of what
　│　│we do know about their original culture and some of our own 
　│　│(thank god for rule 8 tho)
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　│　│PS I was using vidlii years before lolwut SAVED the site, and the
　│　│ONLY people that have a problem with it are suffering from kuz
　│　│derangement syndrome since he dares to provide hosting. The only
　│　│real problem with vidlii is the mass uploaded SEO bot videos about
　│　│like lawncare and shit. 
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　│　│In fact lolwut himself describes the spirit of old youtube 
　│　│and how vidlii is re creating it PERFECTLY on his website:
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　│　│https://lolwut.info/vidlii-bitview.html
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　│　├■There are two things when browsing modern retro sites that tend to turn me off. You're right that a lot of the sites that LOOK old at a first glance, but are just superficial copies made by people in middle school (I'm glad they're taking an interest in the old web, but I feel like they miss the point - Y2k style is cool and all, but come on). That takes me out of it pretty quickly.
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　│　││The other thing, actually, tends to be more common in people our age. They'll make a pretty good site that's mainly in line with things from the time, but it'll be infected with modern political garbage. Even just a hint of it would turn me off - and it doesn't matter which side. Modern political discourse is such a toxic waste dump that it takes over people's brains like a parasite. That's why bitchute will never, ever be a good website.
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　│　│└■Yeah, that second part is a good point too - it's a good reminder that 
　│　│　　no generation is free from people who majorly suck (;´Д`)
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　│　│　　I think the sad reality is that most of "our generation" (assuming 
　│　│　　you're around the same age as me) are mostly only active on facebook 
　│　│　　and twitter these days, and are too busy with their careers/kids/etc. 
　│　│　　to be messing around in the kinds of places they frequented in their 
　│　│　　teens. Meanwhile the few who do have the time and inclination to fuck 
　│　│　　around on the web have largely become raging sociopolitic-obsessed 
　│　│　　lunatics (;´Д`)
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　│　├■User: PROFESSIONAL LONGPOSTER
　│　││I wasn't referring specifically to vidlii, and I definitely wasn't 
　│　││referring to Heyuri, but if you want to talk about vidlii then I'll 
　│　││inform you that vidlii doesn't have a single ounce of the spirit that 
　│　││old youtube had, AT ALL (;´Д`)
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　│　││I was on youtube since the second half of 2005, and in 2005-2006 the 
　│　││site mostly consisted of the following things:
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　│　││- ordinary people aged 16-30 vlogging to each other or discussing news 
　│　││  and pop culture from their bedrooms
　│　││- ordinary people aged 16-30 recording themselves performing various 
　│　││  musical covers and performances in their bedrooms
　│　││- ordinary people aged 16-30 recording themselves performing various 
　│　││  comedy skits in their bedrooms
　│　││- ordinary people aged 16-30 making cool/funny remixes/mashups/
　│　││  machinima/stop-motion animations/etc. in their bedrooms
　│　││- ordinary people aged 16-30 writing comments that were - at times - 
　│　││  brutally honest and insulting, but not completely off-topic non-sequi-
　│　││  turs that are trying too hard to be funny, nor treating youtube like 
　│　││  it's /b/ or /s4s/
　│　││- the kinds of candid home videos that would previously have been found 
　│　││  on the likes of America's Funniest Home Videos
　│　││- tons of movies/TV shows/music videos/etc. stolen from elsewhere that 
　│　││  would usually get taken down before long
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　│　││There were many things that fell outside of those categories as youtube 
　│　││was always a large, multifaceted website, but the vast majority of what 
　│　││most people were using youtube for at that time was as I described
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　│　││What it definitely wasn't was spastic children making intentionally low 
　│　││quality videos - there was the YTP fad from late 2006 to around 2008 
　│　││when it died down, and the MLG fad around 2012-2014, but those were 
　│　││relatively small niches and weren't at all reflective of youtube as a 
　│　││whole. Plus, some of those were actually funny (back then anyway)
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　│　││Although youtube wasn't anywhere near as limited in terms of FREDDUMS 
　│　││OF SPECH as it is today, youtube (and virtually every other site on the 
　│　││internet) was significantly less "boundary-pushing" than it became in 
　│　││later years, and it was always a far cry from the likes of 4chan - and 
　│　││even 4chan back then didn't cultivate the kinds of low quality garbage 
　│　││that vidlii mostly houses today
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　│　││The closest thing vidlii has to old youtube content is videos that have 
　│　││been stolen from youtube, or reuploaded from youtube as a backup by 
　│　││people who are primarily based on youtube. In terms of the old youtube 
　│　││culture (which could be summarized as being a typical early-mid 2000s 
　│　││social network where most people are there to meet and interact with 
　│　││new people from around the world and make new friends), vidlii and all 
　│　││the other "old youtube" clones never have anything of the sort
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　│　││Instead they just have a small group of mentally retarded children 
　│　││making ironically shitty, post-ironically shitty, and unironically 
　│　││shitty videos to an audience of no one. Oh, and monkey torture pr0n I 
　│　││guess... (;´Д`)
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　│　││Regarding Ayashii World, boards like this started in 1997 and their 
　│　││"heyday" continued to around 2003. This board isn't trying to emulate 
　│　││or recreate that time period/culture as much as it looks to it for 
　│　││inspiration, and it fully intends to do and be its own thing (much like 
　│　││the rest of Heyuri). Vidlii on the other hand is trying to "emulate, as 
　│　││much as is reasonably possible, the overall experience of 2000s 
　│　││YouTube" according to lolwut's own words, and in my opinion it fails 
　│　││miserably at it (through no fault of anyone running the site)
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　│　│├■if u don't think vidlii has all of this, but new and unique you don't
　│　│││know how to use the search function. Or you only watch front page stuff
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　│　││└■I've dug around the videos section and searched for stuff plenty of 
　│　││　│times - whenever I've checked it's never been anything like I described 
　│　││　│old youtube as being unless it's an actual old youtube video, or is 
　│　││　│a video mirrored by someone who primarily uploads to youtube and only 
　│　││　│uses vidlii as a failsafe (and there's not even that many of those).
　│　││　│Instead, it's mostly how I described vidlii as being - CRAP!
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　│　││　│What's funny is that I was even going to say "this video by kuz is just 
　│　││　│about the only thing on vidlii that's reminiscent of old youtube:
　│　││　│https://www.vidlii.com/watch?v=XIxben5XeBs ", but what do I discover?
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　│　││　│...that it was fukken uploaded to youtube in 2008:
　│　││　│https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwPDETH2Bn8
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　│　││　│Where the hell are all the cute girls vlogging into their webcams about 
　│　││　│the things on their mind? Where are the plethora of awesome music 
　│　││　│covers by talented amateur musicians? Where are the hilarious comedy 
　│　││　│sketches by a couple of dudes in their bedroom/dorm? Where are the epic 
　│　││　│remixes and song parodies? Where's the amateur music videos for some-
　│　││　│one's favorite show/movie that they spent ages passionately working on? 
　│　││　│Where is literally anything that's akin to the kind of stuff that was 
　│　││　│actually on youtube during the early years?
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　│　││　│NOWHERE, that's where. It's 99% just lame "day 1 in a video editor" 
　│　││　│garbage made by 12 year olds with nu-web brain rot who think "shit 
　│　││　│video" = "funneh". Well it doesn't. They SUCK, shit SUX, and it's 
　│　││　│nothing at all like old youtube unless your entire experience with 
　│　││　│"old youtube" is some shitty YTPs and TF2 videos from 2009 or whatever
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　│　││　│Sorry to get all "faganon", but it's only cuz you fags keep going on 
　│　││　│about how vidlii is "just liek teh old youtubes!", when in reality it's 
　│　││　│absolutely nothing like it - at least not beyond the interface. I'd 
　│　││　│love a site like old youtube to exist today, but nothing has managed to 
　│　││　│even remotely capture it - and I doubt anything ever will (;´Д`)
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　│　││　└■so because someone puts their OC on both it is bad and isn't part of vidlii?
　│　││　　│btw many of the most popular vids on old youtube were reuploads from other 
　│　││　　│much older sites, or people mirroring their own stuff to youtube. 
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　│　││　　│There are no girls on the internet, lonely girl 15 was an ACTOR. LOOK IT UP
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　│　││　　│Again you are missing the point of the website being in the spirit of old yt
　│　││　　│Not every video needs to be a carbon copy of the same themes and styles of 
　│　││　　│the oddly specific years you personally have in ur head.
　│　││　　│Considering how small the userbase of vidlii is, no shit your super specific
　│　││　　│favorite video style is harder to find there. Yet, there are still unique 
　│　││　　│examples of this on vidlii.
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　│　││　　│Where are YOUR videos bitch?
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　│　││　　│^^^^^
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　│　││　　│this pretty much describes every other vid on old youtube...
　│　││　　│Also making an intentionally "shit video" as you say requires quite a lot 
　│　││　　│more skill than "1 day in an editor" you don't make vids tho so you
　│　││　　│wouldn't know this
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　│　││　　│YTP was already a well established art form in 2006, But that style of video
　│　││　　│PRE DATES youtube itself. Also previously you praised machinima videos but
　│　││　　│now you are bad mouthing tf2 machinima? Machinima ALSO pre dates youtube.
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　│　││　　└■User: RETIRED LONGPOSTER
　│　││　　　　MY video? It's here, courtesy of kaguya-san ヽ(´ー｀)ノ
　│　││　　　　https://www.vidlii.com/watch?v=zekNlzoD8gS
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　│　││　　　　I had a bunch of videos on youtube back in the day, but that channel is 
　│　││　　　　long gone and now there's maybe only a couple of remixes and other 
　│　││　　　　stuff I made many years ago that others have either uploaded on my 
　│　││　　　　behalf or reuploaded by themselves
　│　││　　　　
　│　││　　　　There was always plenty of stuff from other sites on youtube, but the 
　│　││　　　　thing that set youtube apart from all its shortlived competitors (that 
　│　││　　　　also had all that same stuff from other sites on them) was youtube's 
　│　││　　　　homegrown material and culture. And it wasn't good simply because it 
　│　││　　　　was homegrown - it was homegrown and AWESOME, felt a lot more personal, 
　│　││　　　　and made many people want to keep revisiting and contributing to the 
　│　││　　　　site for moar
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　│　││　　　　I'm not sure how I can explain it so you get it, but youtube was like a 
　│　││　　　　social network where the whole point was to "broadcast yourself" and 
　│　││　　　　interact with others through the medium of video (whether that was a 
　│　││　　　　public audience, another youtuber via video response, or to some indivi-
　│　││　　　　dual privately). This wasn't a "super specific favorite video style" - 
　│　││　　　　it was the main purpose and function of the website, and primarily what 
　│　││　　　　the site consisted of
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　│　││　　　　Yes lonelygirl15 was "fake", but the whole reason that saga worked in 
　│　││　　　　the first place was because it took the most popular format on the site 
　│　││　　　　(thus blending in perfectly and even getting popular before all teh 
　│　││　　　　craziness kicked in), and then became a massive phenomenon when the 
　│　││　　　　cults and kidnappings or whatever were introduced. But those early lone-
　│　││　　　　lygirl15 videos (when they were still playing it straight) are perfect-
　│　││　　　　ly representative of what a huge component of old youtube was actually 
　│　││　　　　like
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　│　││　　　　Niconico was the same. It wasn't all crazy animations and stuff - it 
　│　││　　　　was predominantly ordinary people talking and performing into webcams 
　│　││　　　　and microphones in their bedrooms. Vidlii doesn't have that - it has 
　│　││　　　　(who I can only presume are) very young kids making very shit videos to 
　│　││　　　　the extent that anything else is practically unfindable on the site
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　│　││　　　　And they're not shit because "they're actually liek super talented and 
　│　││　　　　doing it for teh art reasons" - it's because they're talentless idiots 
　│　││　　　　who are clearly incapable of making anything better. It's exactly the 
　│　││　　　　sort of thing that isn't even allowed on Heyuri because it breaks the 
　│　││　　　　rule we have to stop cretins from shitting this place up with trash 
　│　││　　　　that ruins the internet - even if it's post-post-post-post-post-ironic
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　│　││　　　　I'm not talking about "oddly specific years" either - "old youtube" 
　│　││　　　　is the period from its launch in 2005, somewhat before Google bought 
　│　││　　　　the site in 2006, and definitely before it became massively mainstream 
　│　││　　　　and started deviating from its original form around 2008-2009. You can 
　│　││　　　　call the 2008-2012 years or whatever old if you want, but it's not what 
　│　││　　　　anyone besides n00bs refer to as "old youtube"
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　│　││　　　　Now STFU, this conversation is too long (;´Д`)
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　│　│└■User: Kuznetsov
　│　│　│Gee mr longposter, is there any websites you do like? (ﾟ～ﾟ)
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　│　│　└■User: PROFESSIONAL SHORTPOSTER
　│　│　　　Heyuri ヽ(´ー｀)ノ
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　│　└■User: idiot
　│　　　im talking about a site that looks like its from the 2000s but isnt copying,vidlii generally copies from old youtube,because,well,its a 2000s youtube revival,also  jfc is that long
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　└■Sites like Heyuri are less about copying any particular time period, and more about rejecting the
　　　degradation the Internet has suffered since around 2007 and everything associated with it, which
　　　tends to bring the culture back to that period by default.