◆ [Date updated: 2022/02/17(Thu) 01:18:43]
■(;´Д`) 2ch.cx and 2ch.sh have finally been fixed. Looks like someones been
│uploading some shitty images though, I wonder if rule 8 is enforced since
│nakura left
│
└■User: kaguya
│R8 was never (or needed to be) enforced on ２ちゃん
│It's just that it has a larger userbase now, some of which seem to be R8H8RZ
│
│ヽ(`Д´)ノ
│
└■LIES! Months ago St. Nakuras held a vote (still linked on the front
│page of 2ちゃん), and it was decided by teh pplz that rule 8 should in
│fact apply to 2ちゃん... but then the admin went perma-AFK, nobody ever
│enforced it, and then votekiller-kun went and ruined the result 3-4
│months later (;´Д`)
│
│Vote result in October 2021 (pro Rule 8 wins):
│https://web.archive.org/web/20211015054510/https://cgi.heyuri.net/vote/vote.php?p=115
│
│Vote result 2+ months later (pro Rule 8 still wins):
│https://web.archive.org/web/20211224082146/https://cgi.heyuri.net/vote/vote.php?p=115
│
│Vote result today (votekiller who haets our democracyz strikes again!):
│https://cgi.heyuri.net/vote/vote.php?p=115
│
│Anywayz, I don't see the point in us acting like 2ちゃん is related to
│Heyuri or shaming users whenever they use alternatives if it's going
│to have stuff that violates our most fundamental principles all over
│it. It should either follow our rules, or it should GTFO and we should
│maek our own Heyuri uploader board ヽ(´ー｀)ノ
│
│Same applies to vidlii b4 anyone starts - don't be pushing that site
│down Heyuri's throat or acting like it's our sister site as was done
│with 2ちゃん unless it adopts a rule 8-like stance!!! ヽ(`Д´)ノ
│
└■User: kaguya
│You told yourself that rule was never actually enforced, so what I
│wrote wasn't a lie （ ’～’）
│
│You are writing like when we pushed AIDS-ridden penis of ２ちゃん
│into Heyuri. During when it was promoted around Heyuri, it was an
│obscure uploader with no rules necessarily needed to keep it R8 friendly.
│
│I have no proof to back it up, but don't think that poll was rigged by
│an individual. As ２ちゃん got moar users, they may have slowly voted
│for "No", while uploading their shitty pr0n or s*yjak edits. It's also
│often being used while users at KNIRC are chatting, so while not R8
│breaking, it has some files that may not make sense for someone who
│is only checking it for Heyuri related stuff (;´Д`)
│
│I personally think that internet doesn't have anything to lose from getting
│rid of all that kind of Rule 8 breaking stuff, so democracy doesn't matter
│as long as it's favoring us (from a Heyuri user's perspective). If I had a
│chance, I would run the entire internets with an iron fist to cure all AIDS....
│*dives into fantasy world here* (´ー`)
│
│As for VidLii/Another Heyuri uploader board, I am not entitled to make
│any major decision. Just hoping everything will work out the best for
│Heyuri's sake (;´Д`)
│
└■I thought you were saying ２ちゃん never needed to have Rule 8 enforced
│(despite the majority has previously voted otherwise), my apologies if
│I misinterpreted (;´Д`)
│
│And that's not quite how ２ちゃん came about - it was created by a
│totally awesome Heyuri user (as all Heyuri users are) and it was later
│moved to kuz's servers (which as we have recently lerned, is the logic-
│al conclusion of every website evar). Back then there was virtually no
│AIDS on it cuz Heyuri people were the only users - only later did that
│kind of crap start seeping in, and it was occasionally (and rightful-
│ly) complained about, both in ２ちゃん comments and elsewhere. Hence
│the poll being created! ヽ(´ー｀)ノ
│
│Non-existent "proof" aside, the archived evidence that actually exists
│clearly points to the usual-sized userbase voting one way, the result
│remaining true for a couple of months, and then some fagg0t coming
│along to sway the vote in completely the other direction for the same
│undoubtedly st00pid reason he normally has to poop on our very impr0t-
│ant votes (;´Д`)
│
│I highly ultra mega doubt that every single one of the 8 new votes that
│suddenly appeared 3+ months after the result had settled would have
│been for a single option in opposition to the previous result, with no
│votes for any of the others (´～`)
│
│I also don't believe ２ちゃん has grown since then as it hasn't seen a
│dramatic increase in usage at any point within the past year (;´Д`)
│
└■User: kaguya
│YES, my point was ２ちゃん used to only be used by Heyuri users. During
│when this was the case, there was nothing that would require us to enforce
│Rule 8 there. Also Heyuri users didn't suddenly start uploading AIDS on
│２ちゃん、 those people found it outside Heyuri thx to it being advertised/
│linked outside Heyuri... so it has grown.
│
│It doesn't matter anymore. I talked about this with kuz, and we approved
│enforcing R8 on ２ちゃん from now on (´ー`)
│
│This brings up moar questions though. Should we get rid of all those shitty
│images of 3D girls/twitter screenshots/wutever that is "not heyuri"? Mai
│strictness about enforcing rules has been controversial in the past, so I
│should probably ask for kuz's guidance before starting anything (;´Д`)
│
└■It's obviously just the usual kolyma/9ch/dicksword/IRC/kuz-groupie/h8r
│crowd posting that crap, because that's what they've always posted even
│pre-Heyuri (;´Д`)
│
│Crappy twitter/social media screenshots, generic iphone n00dz, and
│anything featuring those godawful phone filters that make people look
│like pink-faced aliens are all made of FAIL and AIDs - on the other
│hand, high quality pr0n, gravure models, homegrown camwhores who post
│tits and so on = WIN, and is precisely what imageboards were made for
│ヽ(´ー｀)ノ
│
│Ultimately though, the key to moderating a place like Heyuri is not to
│have walls of text defining what users can and can't post, nor micro-
│managing every little detail, nor going 2006 /b/ mode and letting every-
│thing turn to garbage by not moderating it at all, but instead being
│able to feel out the community's wants and needs without catering to
│any dumb and uninformed demands, and deleting/banning things when you
│feel that they suck and ruin the internet ヽ(´ー｀)ノ
│
│Some people have a good feel for that, others don't - that's the diff-
│erence between the small number of internet moderators that everyone
│lieks VS the large number of internet moderators that everyone HAETs
│
├■But 2006 /b/ was the best precisely *because* of the almost complete lack of moderation! My stance has always been to lean towards fewer rules and less moderation, not more.
││
│└■2006 is the year /b/ went to complete unsalvageable shit and led to the
│ │eventual downfall of the entire rest of the site, and most of the best
│ │material that everyone was reposting at that time and fondly remembers
│ │today was actually created in the preceding years (AKA the "golden age
│ │of /b/"). That's why my stance has always been to lean towards bringing
│ │back Snacks (;´Д`)
│ │
│ └■I disagree that 2006 was the year /b/ declined, and that it should be excluded
│ │from the "golden age of /b/"; on the contrary, 2006 was one of /b/'s and 4chan's
│ │finest eras. The incredibly lulzy Habbo Hotel and Second Life raiding both began
│ │that year, many epic threads were posted during that time (including the legendary
│ │https://2ch.cx/src/2180.jpg which is one of my all-time favorites), and material like
│ │DESU, OVER 9000, Pool's Closed, and Shoop Da Whoop -- which now are considered
│ │classics -- became memes in 2006. /b/ was essentially unmoderated and thus
│ │extremely free, and this freedom contributed immeasurably to its fun.
│ │
│ │If you want to name a specific year during which /b/ began its long decline, I would
│ │say 2008, or perhaps late 2007 at the earliest; everything earlier undoubtedly belongs
│ │to the golden age.
│ │
│ └■The only debate when it comes to the "golden age of /b/" is whether it
│ │ended in mid-2004 when moot pulled the plug on the site for several
│ │weeks, or whether it extends into 2005 when things kinda sucked but
│ │didn't suck much as they would later suck. It certainly does not in-
│ │clude 2006 (and definitely not 2007) as that's precisely when the
│ │phrase "golden age of /b/" was being used extensively to lament the
│ │then-current state of /b/ (;´Д`)
│ │
│ │Most of the stuff you mentioned was never funny or good in the first
│ │place - it was mostly just underageb& kiddies without an ounce of
│ │creativity or wit being idiots and spamming things on the internet over
│ │and over and over and over again thinking that posting 4chan catch-
│ │phrases outside of 4chan was the most epic thing you could do
│ │
│ │The "decline" you saw in 2007-2008 was just the end result of the way
│ │/b/ was being ran in 2006, and that's why everyone who is dumb enough
│ │to try and recreate /b/ circa 2006 will receive a shit website filled
│ │with humorless morons
│ │
│ │Let's pretend none of that 2006+ crap ever happened and keep Heyuri a
│ │firmly 2003-2005 inspired website ヽ(´ー｀)ノ
│ │
│ └■I suppose it's simply a matter of taste whether or not you believe the memes
│ I mentioned in my previous post are good ones, but I cannot believe you would
│ say that the Habbo Hotel and Second Life raids were "never funny or good" --
│ they are some of old /b/'s finest moments, when we did something beyond merely
│ talking and joking amongst ourselves on our own site, got organized, ventured
│ out into other online spaces, and successfully pulled off some of the largest
│ and most well-known online pranks in Internet history. The Patriotic Nigras
│ are true Internets superheroes.
│
│ I should emphasize to you that I greatly enjoy Heyuri, and am not at all
│ undervaluing the 2003-2005 era: it is just as excellent and important to
│ 4chan's and /b/'s history as 2006 and 2007. I simply do not appreciate your
│ disparagement of 2006 and 2007, as I believe that the events and cultural
│ developments which occurred during those years were positive ones that are
│ inseparable from the essence of old /b/. Quality did not suddenly decline
│ during that time, and I could offer you many examples of entertaining, witty,
│ and epic threads from 2006 and 2007, as well as highly creative OC from those
│ years, too; /b/ suffered no shortage of creative and intelligent users then.
│
│
│ Hey, now, is that a challenge? If I were to find an imageboard (or launch one
│ myself) that successfully combines what Heyuri offers with the memes, raids,
│ trolling, shock humor, transgression, and free-wheeling atmosphere that
│ characterized 2006 and 2007 /b/, that would truly be a dream come true.
│
└■User: kaguya
Don't haet me please (;´Д`)
I agree with almost everything you wrote, although definition of "high quality
pr0n" is can be a bit subjective ( ´ω`)
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