Was kuz an overall net negative or positive
for heyuri?

https://cgi.heyuri.net/vote/vote.php?p=186

> Was kuz an overall net negative or positive
> for heyuri?
> https://cgi.heyuri.net/vote/vote.php?p=186

He was a competent admin with a few mistakes

Anyone who says otherwise has been on heyuri
for less than a year and its obvious

Reference: 2022/06/01(Wed) 12:01:44

> Was kuz an overall net negative or positive
> for heyuri?
> https://cgi.heyuri.net/vote/vote.php?p=186

Like someone said before, without kuz there would be no heyuri, no rule 8,
no golden age, no partybus, and no ayashii world.

He made mistakes but its downright idiotic to say he was a net negative

Reference: 2022/06/01(Wed) 12:01:44

> > Was kuz an overall net negative or positive
> > for heyuri?
> > https://cgi.heyuri.net/vote/vote.php?p=186
> Like someone said before, without kuz there would be no heyuri, no rule 8,
> no golden age, no partybus, and no ayashii world.
> He made mistakes but its downright idiotic to say he was a net negative

Well now hold on just a minute:
- kuz didn't create Heyuri, and it was partly his fault (along with 
  many of the other staff members at that time) that it "died" in the 
  first place
- Rule 8 already existed as an unnumbered rule beneath the post form 
  before kuz became co-admin
- nobody was ever able to prove where the partybus came from (according 
  to one Anonymous back in 2020 during one particular partybus episode, 
  he claimed it was just him and some old friends of his that he 
  invited along - neither lolico nor kuz had any idea where the sudden 
  boom in post activity was coming from, and so I've always doubted the 
  later claim that kuz had anything to do with it)
- Strange World was originally a kolyma board until kuz was persuaded 
  by Heyuri users to make it into a Heyuri board - before that point it 
  was filled with Rule 8 material and other crap like this:
  https://ayashii.net/bbs.php?m=f&s=160&r=&

I would still say kuz was net positive because I don't think a lot of 
the good things that Heyuri has produced would have occurred had kuz 
not been involved... but because he's also been involved with a lot of 
the things that made Heyuri objectively worse and has hindered our 
ability to grow almost as much as he has helped, it's only a small net 
positive (;^Д^)

Reference: 2022/06/01(Wed) 12:13:21

> > Like someone said before, without kuz there would be no heyuri, no rule 8,
> > no golden age, no partybus, and no ayashii world.
> > He made mistakes but its downright idiotic to say he was a net negative
> Well now hold on just a minute:
> - kuz didn't create Heyuri, and it was partly his fault (along with 
>   many of the other staff members at that time) that it "died" in the 
>   first place
> - Rule 8 already existed as an unnumbered rule beneath the post form 
>   before kuz became co-admin
> - nobody was ever able to prove where the partybus came from (according 
>   to one Anonymous back in 2020 during one particular partybus episode, 
>   he claimed it was just him and some old friends of his that he 
>   invited along - neither lolico nor kuz had any idea where the sudden 
>   boom in post activity was coming from, and so I've always doubted the 
>   later claim that kuz had anything to do with it)
> - Strange World was originally a kolyma board until kuz was persuaded 
>   by Heyuri users to make it into a Heyuri board - before that point it 
>   was filled with Rule 8 material and other crap like this:
>   https://ayashii.net/bbs.php?m=f&s=160&r=&
> I would still say kuz was net positive because I don't think a lot of 
> the good things that Heyuri has produced would have occurred had kuz 
> not been involved... but because he's also been involved with a lot of 
> the things that made Heyuri objectively worse and has hindered our 
> ability to grow almost as much as he has helped, it's only a small net 
> positive (;^Д^)

I put that unnumbered rule there, it literally said "-kuz" at the end! And
I only did it because the font that was used reminded me of old aliased text
that was once common, heyuris whole modern culture was birthed from me
liking a font!

It was not my fault that Heyuri died and neither akima nor lolico say this,
as we have both acknowledged it is entirely the fault of one man driving
stakes between us. I was there inside the private rooms, I know what went
on and you have only bits and pieces you've scraped through leaks that I
made! Akima is exclusively to blame for the downfall, which isnt to say that
me and lolico hadnt had personality clashes, but he worsened them to the
point that they became.

Strange world was never a kolyma board because there is no such thing, it
was just a board that I made after my then-friend Robert showed me the
script and said it wasnt being hosted anywhere else. So I put it up as its own
standalone site until Heyuri users asked me to incorporate it into their site,
a dangerous move considering Heyuri's reputation. But I did anyways.

I know where the partybus came from because I know a majority of the trip
users were from 9channel! I put up a public announcement on the IRC and
dicksword rooms and many notable 9channel users, including the once-mod
"Jared" (who went by cdc on the boards) came to the site.

The partybus was not and to my knowledge still is not an official, organized
group. The reason those tripfags came in waves was from me announcing
to different 9ch groups Heyuri's existance. Of course there were many 
non-9ch tripfags and partybus passengers, but the majority of what we
currently know as "the partybus" was from 9ch, and I can verify that
for an absolute fact

This is what I meant by revisionism, its this systematic editing of my name
out of contributions to this site. 

Oh, and didnt you come to this site through advertisements that were spammed
on zchan as a retaliation for them spamming us? Well guess who put those there?
You'll question your entire existance if you can guess ヽ(`Д´)ノ

Reference: 2022/06/01(Wed) 12:39:22

> > Well now hold on just a minute:
> > - kuz didn't create Heyuri, and it was partly his fault (along with 
> >   many of the other staff members at that time) that it "died" in the 
> >   first place
> > - Rule 8 already existed as an unnumbered rule beneath the post form 
> >   before kuz became co-admin
> > - nobody was ever able to prove where the partybus came from (according 
> >   to one Anonymous back in 2020 during one particular partybus episode, 
> >   he claimed it was just him and some old friends of his that he 
> >   invited along - neither lolico nor kuz had any idea where the sudden 
> >   boom in post activity was coming from, and so I've always doubted the 
> >   later claim that kuz had anything to do with it)
> > - Strange World was originally a kolyma board until kuz was persuaded 
> >   by Heyuri users to make it into a Heyuri board - before that point it 
> >   was filled with Rule 8 material and other crap like this:
> >   https://ayashii.net/bbs.php?m=f&s=160&r=&
> > I would still say kuz was net positive because I don't think a lot of 
> > the good things that Heyuri has produced would have occurred had kuz 
> > not been involved... but because he's also been involved with a lot of 
> > the things that made Heyuri objectively worse and has hindered our 
> > ability to grow almost as much as he has helped, it's only a small net 
> > positive (;^Д^)
> I put that unnumbered rule there, it literally said "-kuz" at the end! And
> I only did it because the font that was used reminded me of old aliased text
> that was once common, heyuris whole modern culture was birthed from me
> liking a font!
> It was not my fault that Heyuri died and neither akima nor lolico say this,
> as we have both acknowledged it is entirely the fault of one man driving
> stakes between us. I was there inside the private rooms, I know what went
> on and you have only bits and pieces you've scraped through leaks that I
> made! Akima is exclusively to blame for the downfall, which isnt to say that
> me and lolico hadnt had personality clashes, but he worsened them to the
> point that they became.
> Strange world was never a kolyma board because there is no such thing, it
> was just a board that I made after my then-friend Robert showed me the
> script and said it wasnt being hosted anywhere else. So I put it up as its own
> standalone site until Heyuri users asked me to incorporate it into their site,
> a dangerous move considering Heyuri's reputation. But I did anyways.
> I know where the partybus came from because I know a majority of the trip
> users were from 9channel! I put up a public announcement on the IRC and
> dicksword rooms and many notable 9channel users, including the once-mod
> "Jared" (who went by cdc on the boards) came to the site.
> The partybus was not and to my knowledge still is not an official, organized
> group. The reason those tripfags came in waves was from me announcing
> to different 9ch groups Heyuri's existance. Of course there were many 
> non-9ch tripfags and partybus passengers, but the majority of what we
> currently know as "the partybus" was from 9ch, and I can verify that
> for an absolute fact
> This is what I meant by revisionism, its this systematic editing of my name
> out of contributions to this site. 
> Oh, and didnt you come to this site through advertisements that were spammed
> on zchan as a retaliation for them spamming us? Well guess who put those there?
> You'll question your entire existance if you can guess ヽ(`Д´)ノ

Also, the people you "lost" from my actions elsewhere are better off not
being here, unless you think the shitflinging this board has been for the last
10 minutes was how you want the entire site to look, because thats a taste
of the users that dont like me, a bunch of 4chan idiots who cant be assed
to adapt to the site or its culture and constantly write things they know
nothing about.

You yourself wrote previously about how they make huge wiki articles
and long blogposts about things in japan they are clueless of, yet fail to 
see how that can also apply to them when they write about me. You
take a look at that thread and look at what they criticize me over.

Firstly they think I spammed Heyuri and leaked users IP's, which is obviously
untrue and a wrong retelling of history, since as we both know akima is the
one who later admitted to all that AND for trying to frame me, then he 
did it to my sites (strawberry heaven) too!

Secondly they go on about gurochan, a site which hasnt had a single ounce
of drama in over a year, and the former drama starter who is supposedly
a victim of mine has been widely denounced by the users.

You take a look at /dis/ and the /wiki/, on AE and on r/guro and you will
see, NOT ONE single gurochan user likes straitjakit. In fact, they commonly
write paragraphs upon paragraphs of why they hate him, and are extremely
thankful to kaguya and I for restoring the site and its archives, and making
it the largest iteration it has ever been. Again, a case of uninformed outsiders
trying to write their perspective about events they have no idea of. And if
there was anything you would want to challenge my stances on, straitjakit
is one of the worst, as the situation with him is so 1 sided and dumb that his
own former friends and moderators left (and joined kaguya!)

Whats the rest? Shitty unsourced 30 paragraph long articles about me? Is
it because I posted a few soyjaks in the past? (Which I did long before Heyuri
existed). Is it because you had to see the letter K a few times before I quickly
removed them from Heyuri for "public complaints" (which was just 1 or 2 people,
no one actually gave a fuck)

Is it because I fought back after some crazy pedo started accusing me of kidnapping
people and installing spyware on their devices? 

For some reason, you, who has known all of my work on Heyuri, chooses to fixate
on exxagerated or false stories and absolutely minimize any good things I did to the
site, you have a deadly case of contrarianism, and its making me ill! ヽ(`Д´)ノ

Reference: 2022/06/01(Wed) 13:04:24

> Also, the people you "lost" from my actions elsewhere are better off not
> being here, unless you think the shitflinging this board has been for the last
> 10 minutes was how you want the entire site to look, because thats a taste
> of the users that dont like me, a bunch of 4chan idiots who cant be assed
> to adapt to the site or its culture and constantly write things they know
> nothing about.
> You yourself wrote previously about how they make huge wiki articles
> and long blogposts about things in japan they are clueless of, yet fail to 
> see how that can also apply to them when they write about me. You
> take a look at that thread and look at what they criticize me over.
> Firstly they think I spammed Heyuri and leaked users IP's, which is obviously
> untrue and a wrong retelling of history, since as we both know akima is the
> one who later admitted to all that AND for trying to frame me, then he 
> did it to my sites (strawberry heaven) too!
> Secondly they go on about gurochan, a site which hasnt had a single ounce
> of drama in over a year, and the former drama starter who is supposedly
> a victim of mine has been widely denounced by the users.
> You take a look at /dis/ and the /wiki/, on AE and on r/guro and you will
> see, NOT ONE single gurochan user likes straitjakit. In fact, they commonly
> write paragraphs upon paragraphs of why they hate him, and are extremely
> thankful to kaguya and I for restoring the site and its archives, and making
> it the largest iteration it has ever been. Again, a case of uninformed outsiders
> trying to write their perspective about events they have no idea of. And if
> there was anything you would want to challenge my stances on, straitjakit
> is one of the worst, as the situation with him is so 1 sided and dumb that his
> own former friends and moderators left (and joined kaguya!)
> Whats the rest? Shitty unsourced 30 paragraph long articles about me? Is
> it because I posted a few soyjaks in the past? (Which I did long before Heyuri
> existed). Is it because you had to see the letter K a few times before I quickly
> removed them from Heyuri for "public complaints" (which was just 1 or 2 people,
> no one actually gave a fuck)
> Is it because I fought back after some crazy pedo started accusing me of kidnapping
> people and installing spyware on their devices? 
> For some reason, you, who has known all of my work on Heyuri, chooses to fixate
> on exxagerated or false stories and absolutely minimize any good things I did to the
> site, you have a deadly case of contrarianism, and its making me ill! ヽ(`Д´)ノ

1. I'll give you the Rule 8 thing, as your name is in fact on the only 
   surviving archive of it I have to hand, but it only says that you'll 
   try to be lenient with it rather than it being attributed to you. I 
   don't believe you were the one who gave birth to Heyuri's current 
   culture though, because you were still checking digits and >green-
   texting before I commented on those things!

2. Akima's influence cannot be denied, and I'm also of the belief that 
   the lolico+kuz era wouldn't have ended the way that it did if Akima 
   had not been present. However, both you and lolico still played a 
   significant part in Heyuri's 2020 death and subsequent massive drop 
   in userbase and activity - that much is undeniable

   It's all in the past now, and tensions were obviously high, but both 
   you and lolico acted like selfish children and shat all over the 
   golden goose that was Heyuri with your stupid dicksword spats that 
   spilled out onto multiple different imageboards, while everyone else 
   (other than Akima and faganon) just wanted to have fun on teh 
   interwebs, but were forced to watch in horror as Heyuri's own staff 
   tore the site apart. In that moment, Pandora's box was opened - 
   Heyuri forever lost its innocence, and I'm still not over it (;´Д`)

3. Strange World (and Blue Strange World!) were both listed on 
   bbs.kolyma.org prior to the "de-kolyma-ization", and you announced 
   its transition to Heyuri as part of the "de-kolyma-ization". And the 
   only person who was ever vocally against the move was faganon, so 
   there was nothing risky about it!

4. The partybus wasn't the 9ch tripfags - they were regularly posting 
   on Heyuri already before the first partybus arrived. The partybus 
   was the sudden wave of rapidly created threads and replies made by 
   anonymous users that seemingly came out of nowhere, and left just as 
   sudenly as they arrived - much like we saw here earlier today. I 
   don't remember exactly when it was, but I remember it was after the 
   LOL Heyuri!!1 flash had been posted to 4chan's /f/ and we started to 
   get a few posters from there - that must have been around a month 
   after you invited 9ch users to Heyuri

5. I REQUESTED AND SPENT AGES TRAWLING THROUGH ARCHIVES TO HELP WITH 
   LITERALLY EDITING YOUR NAME BACK INTO THE SITE ヽ(`Д´)ノ

6. The initial zchan ad was just a single post from them on Heyuri:
   https://archive.ph/7nDsN (2020/05/11) back when cavalier was still 
   co-admin, and they received a single retaliatory Heyuri ad on zchan 
   from lolico (not archived as far as I'm aware, but he mentioned that 
   he would keep the zchan ad up as long as they kept the Heyuri one up)

   Then after you became co-admin there was another ad from them:
   https://archive.ph/OQthb (2020/05/29) and I believe that's when you 
   waged a mini-war against them. Existence status: unquestioned!!!

7. Actually I thought the sudden boost in activity here was fun, and it 
   was fairly friendly and harmless all things considered ヽ(´ー｀)ノ

8. I don't care about the intricacies of your wars with other websites/
   individuals or their wars with you - I just haet that we're always 
   freaking associated with it, and we can't advertise Heyuri or the 
   kewl stuff Heyuri does to anyone because it's always the same "kuz 
   kuz kuz" crap. Plus you always show up to the threads to defend your-
   self in the most retarded and obvious fashion possible, making the 
   situation 200x worse (;´Д`)

9. I do know all your work on Heyuri - I praise you for the things you 
   deserve praise for (like continuing to host Heyuri at what I assume 
   is a loss, being generally very lenient and tolerant in terms of 
   what we are allowed to post despite everything, and just all the 
   countless things you did for Heyuri during teh golden age and in 
   bringing the site back to life) and I frown upon the things you 
   deserve frowns for (which I think I've elaborated on enough already!)

   I refuse to blindly believe any random bullshit rumor about you, but 
   at the same time I refuse to blindly mongle your cock - I will look 
   at things as objectively and truthfully as I'm able to with the 
   information I have, because I like to be comftorably correct (;^Д^)

Reference: 2022/06/01(Wed) 13:24:49